If we think the risk of compromise is pretty low and the cost to fix it is pretty high, we'll take that into account. So the equivalent is true although the stakes are much higher for national security. You wouldn't want to take the risk even though you didn't know for sure that someone got hold of them. And as you can imagine, if you lost your keys to your house overnight and it had your address on it, then the next morning, you'd probably want to change your locks. On one hand, they will take a worst-case scenario. SHAPIRO: Is there a way to know whether that has happened, or does the intelligence community now just need to assume the worst-case scenario and, you know, change all the passwords or whatever the case may be? And so this could be unbelievably expensive and, more importantly, expose our troops to danger. On our end, we might have to spend millions of dollars changing code systems, changing weapons systems, fixing vulnerabilities that we thought an adversary didn't know about but now probably does. So in your case, if there was a document that revealed our nuclear capabilities or those of a - of an ally or even of a foreign adversary showing how much we know about them, you could imagine that that would cause a big change in the calculus of - in a possible war, if we ever got into a shooting war. GERSTELL: So the very definition of top-secret is that it could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security. contingency planning for a war were disclosed to an adversary - like, what is the kind of harm that could do? SHAPIRO: If a document that, for example, describes the military capabilities of an adversary or U.S. There was a list of some 31 documents rated at the top-secret level in general, and some even more sensitive than that, that even in their brief description in the indictment made it clear that this was some of the nation's most sensitive secrets that were the subject of the indictment. And that level of detail is exactly what jumped out at me as being quite scary. GERSTELL: Well, it's a 49-page indictment, and that certainly wasn't required, you know? The Department of Justice can - doesn't need to specify all this level of detail. SHAPIRO: When you read the full 37-count indictment, is there anything that specifically jumps out to you as particularly dangerous? Glenn Gerstell was the general counsel of the NSA from 2015 to 2020, so he has a lot of experience with classified documents. A separate question, and one that might be harder to answer, is whether Trump's alleged actions hurt the United States. A court in Miami is answering the question of whether former President Donald Trump committed a crime by taking secret documents to Mar-a-Lago and obstructing government efforts to get them back.
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